Go Back   Cyber Tech Help Support Forums > Operating Systems > Windows 7

Notices

Windows 7 Problem solving for the Windows 7 Operating System. Please remember to state which edition of Windows 7 you are using - Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate.

Reply
 
Topic Tools
  #1  
Old December 29th, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jerry56 Jerry56 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,119
Thumbs up Firewall

I have windows 7 with Avast anti-virus do I need a firewall.?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old December 29th, 2014, 11:40 PM
renegade600's Avatar
renegade600 renegade600 is offline
CTH Subscriber
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
O/S: Linux
Location: Osceola, Ar
Posts: 26,675
windows 7 has a firewall so you really don't need another unless you want to use another one.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old December 30th, 2014, 04:31 PM
Digerati Digerati is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 2,562
Yes you need a firewall. An anti-virus (anti-malware) program is designed to detect and block (hopefully) malicious code from being downloaded and run on your computer.

A firewall is designed to block unauthorized network access to or from your computer.

Two totally different functions.

As Dan noted, Windows 7 has a built in firewall. And a good one too. So you don't need another. But if you want to use a 3rd party firewall, Windows will let you, but you need to ensure the Windows Firewall is disabled so you are not running two at once. Windows should automatically disable Windows Firewall when another is installed, but that needs to be verified.

That said, I recommend sticking with Windows Firewall. It works and you already have it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old January 4th, 2015, 07:23 AM
calv0492 calv0492 is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
O/S: Windows 8
Posts: 3
Hi, I'm newbie here. Could you help me to understand what are the different types of firewalls available? It will be helpful if anyone can give me a website or guides that can explain it very clear and simple. Thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old January 4th, 2015, 03:29 PM
ninjaken's Avatar
ninjaken ninjaken is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
O/S: Windows 7 64-bit
Location: England
Age: 76
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by calv0492 View Post
Hi, I'm newbie here. Could you help me to understand what are the different types of firewalls available? It will be helpful if anyone can give me a website or guides that can explain it very clear and simple. Thank you.
This link will probably help you, informative in fairly simple language.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/firewall.htm

I hope this Helps!

On the subject "do I need a firewall?" I agree wholeheartedly with Digerati, yes!

If you are using a broadband modem/router you will be firewalled by the hardware which is normally configured very effectively. Personally I don't enable any software firewall since another layer of firewalling reduces internet response time, albeit by milliseconds. (this might start enthusiastic debate!). The choice, of course, is up to the individual.

However, if you are using a public network or are still using a dialup connection, a software firewall is a must!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old January 4th, 2015, 03:32 PM
Digerati Digerati is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 2,562
Basically two types. First is software based that runs on your computer. Windows Firewall, built into Windows is a perfect example and works great. No need for a 3rd party firewall as they provide no extra advantage in terms of security or system performance.

Then there are hardware based firewalls that are typically found in routers.

EVERY computer should be using a software based firewall - even if their router has a hardware based one.

Beyond that, it is not good forum etiquette to hijack another's thread for your question so if you need more information (and remember, Google is your friend) then you need to start your own thread.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old January 4th, 2015, 04:11 PM
ninjaken's Avatar
ninjaken ninjaken is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
O/S: Windows 7 64-bit
Location: England
Age: 76
Posts: 64
Digerati, you are quite right to point out the poor etiquette! For my part I apologize to the forum for responding to Calv0492's request, rather than doing the same as you.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old January 4th, 2015, 05:11 PM
Digerati Digerati is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 2,562
Well, I responded too! You just did it while I was still typing so I did not notice until you replied again and I got the email notification.

And BTW, you should enable your software firewall. Note that once the port is opened, a firewall does not introduce any more delays. But more to the point, the problem with relying only on your router's firewall is that typically, a router sees any data coming from the "trusted" side (your local network) as good.

This means if you have multiple computers on your network and a careless or inexperienced user of one of those computers lets malware in, you could have malicious code circulating on your local network unchecked by the router's firewall.

Remember, malware wants to propagate and the first place it tries to replicate itself to is other networked computers.

This can be especially dangerous if a guest comes and connects their infected computer to your network.

So, unless you are a master programmer and advanced security expert, don't risk it - especially for a couple milliseconds the human brain is incapable of detecting.

It is always the user who is the weakest link in security.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old January 6th, 2015, 11:58 AM
calv0492 calv0492 is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
O/S: Windows 8
Posts: 3
Sorry about that - I did hijack the thread! Thanks so much for the replies, they're very much appreciated. I'll be sure to start a new thread next time.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old April 13th, 2015, 09:22 AM
CyberPhoenix CyberPhoenix is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
O/S: Windows 7 64-bit
Location: Singapore
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaken View Post
This link will probably help you, informative in fairly simple language.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/firewall.htm

I hope this Helps!

On the subject "do I need a firewall?" I agree wholeheartedly with Digerati, yes!

If you are using a broadband modem/router you will be firewalled by the hardware which is normally configured very effectively. Personally I don't enable any software firewall since another layer of firewalling reduces internet response time, albeit by milliseconds. (this might start enthusiastic debate!). The choice, of course, is up to the individual.

However, if you are using a public network or are still using a dialup connection, a software firewall is a must!
Wow. You mean my SB5100 cable modem (broadband) also served as a hardware firewall? I didn't know that.. Currently i'm using win7 hm and using the default win firewall. May i know how to check my modem for its firewall?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old April 13th, 2015, 02:44 PM
Digerati Digerati is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 2,562
Quote:
Wow. You mean my SB5100 cable modem (broadband) also served as a hardware firewall?
No! That is wrong! And nothing in that article you linked to said or implied that either!

And by you adding your own emphasis (bold text) to my comment, you changed the meaning of my comment! I said, "modem/router".

Your modem is not a firewall and does not serve as a firewall. No modem does!

A "router", on the other hand, may include some firewall features. But every computer on the network must still have a software based firewall enabled locally.

A "modem/router" is an integrated device and the router side likely includes some firewall functions. NOT the modem side.

Your Motorola SB5100 is a discrete, modem-only device and does NOT include or provide any firewall features or protections.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old April 13th, 2015, 06:22 PM
CyberPhoenix CyberPhoenix is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
O/S: Windows 7 64-bit
Location: Singapore
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
No! That is wrong! And nothing in that article you linked to said or implied that either!

And by you adding your own emphasis (bold text) to my comment, you changed the meaning of my comment! I said, "modem/router".

Your modem is not a firewall and does not serve as a firewall. No modem does!

A "router", on the other hand, may include some firewall features. But every computer on the network must still have a software based firewall enabled locally.

A "modem/router" is an integrated device and the router side likely includes some firewall functions. NOT the modem side.

Your Motorola SB5100 is a discrete, modem-only device and does NOT include or provide any firewall features or protections.
Chill bro, i interpreted "/" as either or. Just thought there's some aditional functions to my modem that i'm not aware of. My apology to you.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old April 13th, 2015, 06:56 PM
Digerati Digerati is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 2,562
Sorry - I have recently run into several cases where I was misquoted and/or my comments taken out of context, then the persons claimed I said something I didn't - so your post hit a nerve. No harm done.

But for sure, if you don't have a router between your computer and your modem, I recommend you get one. Even a basic model will add a very significant layer of security with NAT and for just a few $ more you can get one with SPI which will add another layer with true firewall features.

See here for expantion of terms.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Topics
Topic Topic Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to use a firewall Stewart Windows XP 5 December 24th, 2007 06:19 PM
Router/Hardware firewall worth combining with software firewall? LocrEpinS Malware Removal 6 June 10th, 2006 06:22 AM
help with firewall helpme11 Windows XP 1 December 3rd, 2005 05:24 PM
Firewall wombat Malware Removal 2 November 28th, 2003 03:44 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:17 AM.