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I have had many more computers come across my bench broken by Norton, AVG, ZoneAlarm, McAfee, etc. being too aggressive than by misused Registry cleaners. |
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Even in the best-case scenario the impact of using a registry cleaner would be trivial at best. Maybe a second or two here and there, maybe a few kilobytes of freed-up RAM, and I’m being generous. How can you balance those against the risk that the utility will “clean” (in other words, delete) something you really need, causing a program, feature or operating system to fail?
So I'm afraid I must continue to stand by my original statement, (thanks broni): Using registry cleaning tools unnecessarily or incorrectly could lead to disastrous effects on your operating system such as preventing it from ever starting again. For routine use, the benefits to your computer are negligible while the potential risks are great. Last edited by SpywareDr; August 3rd, 2013 at 06:40 PM. |
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Who said anything about using them unnecessarily or incorrectly? Not me.
I am sorry you feel what was must always be. Good day. |
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Only until the benefits of using registry cleaners outweigh the risks. postea videbo vos |
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No, simply providing you an answer to your question.
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That's fine, but please don't suggest or imply that I am saying the haphazard use of Registry cleaners is safe, as your comment appeared to do.
FTR, I regularly use CCleaner on all my systems. When?
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If CCleaner were the evil beast you suggest it is, there would be millions and millions of broken computers and users complaining - and that is just not the case. Quote:
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and only slightly harder (or rather, inconvenient) if you have to boot into Safe Mode or from recovery mode.[
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For you and I, yes. For the masses, no. And that's another risk. "if Windows boots". And that's a big risk. Quote:
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And all of these risks outweigh the benefit. |
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Hi, it is quite rare to see an argument being made for the use of registry cleaners or one in particular ccleaner, to site that millions of people are using these products and are not having issues is a pertinent statement, could you produce empirical data to back this up? Otherwise you are merely stating your opinion.
If you could site for us any evidenced based documentation that supports the use of registry cleaners, then as a scientist I would be interested, though I know no such support exists, what most amateurs miss is the complex nature of the registry, for example why do the makers of registry cleaners not explain that the hive HKCU will be cleaned for the user you are logged onto at the time of running the cleaner, no access to the other users HCKU hive is possible.. so what happens to their registry.. full of muck Snake oil no matter how you dress it is still snake oil, the original registry was written to allow a multi user OS replacing Inf files it is a database and is as such on a modern computer scanned so fast that no difference will be noticed. My true registry on this well used test machine is 21mg with windows allowing expansion to 648 mb. Now, so people are not confused there are times when a registry needs to have data removed this apply's to Anti Virus\Spyware utils these are so embedded that they can and do conflict with other AV installs, specific developers make utils for the proper removal of these products, specific removal tools such as the popular revo also target specifics relevant to programs and are safe. The onus should be on the developers of these products to show empirical evidence of there usefulness, MS developed a regscan and released it only to quicky realise that some fool had made a mistake, it quickly disappeared, the sooner the rest do the better. There is one other hugely important issue here, Forums are full of people who blame MS for the failure of an update or the problems they have accessing files or folders access being denied, when in effect the magic fix all (this includes ccleaner which has in our database hundreds of Reg cleaner related problems) reg cleaner run last month removed a vital reg component, MS having written the fix (update) to accommodate a stable registry gets the blame, this is also well recorded in our database (thousands of them). Please, the advice from Spyware doctor that the risk outways the benefit is the view held by my contemporary's in computer science, almost universally. |
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As a man of science myself, I agree with you and I too would like to see some real empirical data on this. But it does not exist. Why? Not sure, but I do know any data would involve artificial scenarios and that's part of the problem.
Can you cite a white paper that says Registry cleaners break properly running computers? I bet not. What you are most likely to find is forum users who say something like, "my computer was, or was not doing [fill in the blank] so I tried System Restore, ran chkdsk, updated my drivers, ran CCleaner (or PCTools, or CSC, etc.) and now my computer does not work." And by the way, there are nearly (or more, depending on your source) 1 billion Windows computers out there. 100s, or even 10s of 1000s of (typically vague) reports of problems does not represent the norm. Quote:
I am reminded of something I used to hear in the military a lot, "one aw sh!t wipes out a 1000 attaboys". I fear that stigma applies to CCleaner as well. |
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As I mentioned before, registry cleaners/optimizers are not recommended:
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And to be clear, I did not, and have not "recommended" anybody use them.
I don't immediately jump on every thread with constant and immediate condemnation EVERY TIME someone mentions "Registry cleaner" either. That is unwarranted as the real-world numbers don't match your exaggerated scare tactic claims. Also not fair is to automatically dump every application that has a registry cleaning function into the same pot. That is biased and prejudicial - as is your attempt to discredit all by noting that some don't prompt for a backup. As you correctly noted, not all cleaners are created equal. |
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For the majority of those "1 billion Windows computers out there", the risks of using a registry cleaner outweigh the risks. |
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there is no need to continue with the argument. everyone had their say about registry cleaners and nobody is going to change their mind. the argument has nothing to do with the original question. there are plenty of others who needs help.
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You're right Dan. I'm out.
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